matter whether they were wealthy or poor, moe matter who they were, what their age, their race, their religion and they would be able to get safe abortions and where the women were treated with respect and humanity. and this is what the providers in mexico that they were working with, they were considered very humane abortions. they always had this reputation as being a very dangerous and bad place but actually the program that they set up was the opposite. so much of what we're seeing is very similar. but we don't have the good underground yet. >> do you see people who are concerned about the erosion of abortion rights and the way that access has been winnowed away? it doesn't even feel like win w winnowed away. sooms like it's bei seems like it's become hacked up. do you see people trying to pool resources in terms of where it right still is accessible in a legal and safe way and those becoming sort of hubs for the country and other women trying to women try to get to those places? >> there are abortion funds where people raise money to provide for low-income women who live in states where t